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November 07, 2006

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fr'nklin

Hey man, I agree for the most part. I mean, I don't think we need to pound Haggard, but I do think that "the world" would expect "the church" to respond w/ a measure of outrage. I mean, c'mon, the guy is responsible for a lot of this "gay ammendment" stuff going on TODAY, and then it turns out he's doing the gay wild thing? How can you not be po'ed? Especially if you sympathize more w/ the gay community than the xian community? Anyway, I know we all have skeletons in our closets...it's just the hypocricy of this situation that demands a measure of outrage.

Rich

I went through the outrage part over the weekend, thus the stone throwing. :)Everyone from Dobson to Falwell and back got it from me. I'm with you and I think there is a place for outrage. That wasn't really what I was talking about I guess. I wasn't clear enough now that I read back. I just hope we can get past the anger and not let it be the end of our reaction. When I think of his kids, my blood boils. But I also know that Jesus can forgive even this. The Bible says they will know us for our love, one for another. That's my hope in this situation. The only thing that can help wash away some of the ugliness.

Bek

I'm torn here, as are lots of christians, I'm sure. I'm very sad, but also angered. I understand and agree with the exhortation to refrain from throwing stones. We all have sinned like the woman at the well who was living in adultery. But, Jesus had very strong words, not stones, sternly spoken about hypocrites. This man was living a lie, and for 3 years (apparently) he deliberately deceived his wife, children, friends, and church. My understanding (which may very well be limited) of the woman at the well was not one of deceptive hypocracy. Everyone knew who she was and how she lived. She wasn't hiding the truth of who she was and what she was doing. Jesus is so very merciful and forgiving to those who admit their sin and own up to it, but he was very hard on the hypocrites who pretended to be something that they were not. He didn't mince words. How long would Haggard have continued with his deception had he not been exposed? Hopefully, this has caused him to sincerely repent and turn away from his sin and seek God to restore him. It's good that he's admitting he was deceptive and wrong, but again, he only did it after he was exposed. The church should be willing to receive him with open, loving arms and be full of mercy, ready to assist in his restoration. It would be wrong and sinful for the church to turn her back on him if he is trully seeking forgiveness and restoration. We should pray for him, his family, and the church just as you said and trust God to bring restoration.

Rich

Bek, you have your stories mixed up. This isn't the woman at the well. This is the adulteress caught in the act. Her deeds were done in the dark and she was brought to Jesus by the Pharisees. See John 8.

As for the woman in the story of John 8, sure, it's not the greatest one for one example, but anyone who flat out condemns Haggard to, well, at least a form of death, needs to check themselves, just as Jesus had the mob check themselves. A pharisee lives in all of us at one time or another.

Also, since he didn't admit till caught, should that keep us from doing any of the things in my original post. So what do WE do with hypocrites? Seriously. I'm asking. I feel a bit of a push back and am not sure why. If I am wrong I want to know what the right reaction is, really I do. I am willing to admit being wrong.

My reaction is to the many blogs and pronouncements out there that are crossing the line and are not hopeful for redemption. Many are almost gleeful. Ick.

Kerry

Love your heart here.

Indeed, there are no winners here. No vidication, no "see, told ya." Just pain, real hurt people with shame, needing grace again, like we all do.

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